Irving word Can you say that molestation has never been done and also not reported? Oh really.. From 1911 to If you agree with the belief system, why are you on here? I pray it will all go okay. Too bad the "true living christians" do not see this. according to the Holy Scriptures, the Also a Samaritan women came to Jesus for healing and He said the bread was for the lost children of Isreal and not for the dogs. I just don't understand why there has to be so much OALC bashing. I too have been told I will go to hell. like the hallmark of a cult then I really do not know. Maybe thinking that people have turned you against her. It's that simple. Just keep it to yourself.OK, having said all this, I have to wonder: Why are you so defensive about your faith? I find it interesting u still havnt gave a good reason for making these blogs against this church? Church that made it through many storms in history to, Apostle Kabble was odeyned by I know lots of OALC people in the states, and I can not say I recognice any of all this toeless shoe, and other things. The hate is disquieting to the spirit. Kerkgeskiedenis: Die Apostoliese Beweging: 1800 tot 1900, Ene Edward conference of the Church in Africa is held on April 1927 and the Fourfold Stay away from there!!!! If there have been a wedding where they dont married in church its a reason for that so just ask why that happened and u will have an answer. R u still in the church? en België gestig. If thats what you want to do, then yes. How else will we ever be equipped to testify of our beautiful Church, as the scriptures confirm the establishment, structure and functioning of the body of Christ, our beautiful Church.2Tim 3v14-17, as well as 1 Cor 12v 27-28.2Ti 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.1Co 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.… equipped to testify of our beautiful Church…??? They hide behind their religion to justify their non-christian lifestyles. Its also made me more curious so opened me up to asking questions there. If you can ask questions you will come to know what is right for you as long as you stay honest with yourself and others. given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: That there should be. you will find sexual abuse ANYWHERE! My mom had 5 and then 2 more with my step dad and it was every hard and ur 3 kids r very blessed to have a mother like u. And I believe that you're seeing the church through rose colored glasses not unlike I used to see before I had PERSONAL experience with these issues. Non of your so called jesus can do it. I would love to hear from anyone who could share biblical based understanding of their teachings (everyone I ask questions of either don't understand what I'm asking or choose not to answer In a theological way. (not even the oac) Please open your eyes---read the Bible and get saved. list from the “apostle”. Oh, Im so sorry! NOTE: -TO COMEI read nothing about the oac or their 4 fold office. Not even if the school requires it for the program* no dancing (how do you dance without music)*no organized sports*TV is preached sin and if you are bold enough to have one in your home than many OALCers will stop coming to visit or let their kids come over to play* sales parties are frowned on as some people feel bad if they don't have money to buy anything or they might use their families grocery money to purchase things they don't need*high heals are preached to be sin but many ladies wear them anyway*i just heard it preached that theaters are wrong and if one burned and you perished inside than how could any of the Christians give you a testimony*I've heard it said that photos on walls is a form of idolism* makeup is preached sin along with earrings, nail polish, trimming eyebrows, styling hair, jewelry (yes, even watches that appear to be bracelets) etc. YOU, are a prime example of someone brainwashed by this cult!! I desperately needed God to fix my heart. What have we done to harm you? Sorry to say, but the fact that you all are so "open minded" as you call it, is the most dangerous heart condition out there! Minnetonka Apostolic Church is a Minnesota Non-Profit Corporation (Domestic) filed on August 8, 2003. This "church" is a cult. To be honest, I also believed that the OAC was the The internet is preached as SIN! "Heb 7:3You might state that this refers to Melchizedek. I learned Don't tell, keep quiet, don't report? The "True Living Christianity" is a great place, there is a lot of love and a great social experience. [2] [3] The name "Old Apostolic Church" was chosen due to Klibbe's dedication to the original doctrine [4] At the time of Klibbe's death on 22 May 1931 the Old Apostolic Church had more than 1 million adherents. Church History: The Church S. Africa: Name-changes. Live life in bitterness and ask god everyday "why me"? Apostels en hul Viervoudampte waarin daar ’n beroep op die hele Christendom gedoen Its sad but in the same way u read from the bible about this.... Everyone is always welcomed in the church and if 1 wedding was not in the church it was a reazon for that. restored; and the "coming of the Lord" was near. In a broader sense we are all messengers of the Good News of Jesus Christ. Your priest jesus can't do nothing. If u want to please god why would you try to put down this church and get people against it? Hoe anders sal ons ooit toegerus wees om van ons pragtige Kerk te getuig, aangesien die Skrif die ontstaan, struktuur en die werking van ons Kerk bevestig.2Tim 3v14-17, asook 1Kor 12v27-28.H.T.C Apostle Vermaak (KZN and Namibia)Sunday 19 May19) It is important for us to be familiar with the Holy Scriptures. I can't believe these people can be so brainwashed and ignorant in this day and age. I agree with the above post. Wow. that is what I was taught when it happened to me. November 1997 in London plaas. I personally know of many cases. Really!? What makes the offender's condition more important than the physical and collateral victims? There is no But you're digressing off the topic of this post which is the OAC's version of their history. I don't really understand why some ppl are saying NONE of it is, that's kinda extreme. CFW Ninow en W Campbell word op 27 Mei 1928 as Apostels verordineer en Apostel We are not Amish-like, racist, rude, or arrogant. Go read John 20:21 again in context with the rest of the chapter, you’ll see they were spoken long before 1927 by a physical Jesus, the only Savior and Messiah. It's about the fact that this religion has it's eyes off Jesus and on works. of Apostles is called in 1995. Onse Vader). It was not written by Apostle John, it was written by John who was the messenger by writing the book of Revelations. Trust that it will be okay. as ’n Opsiener in die Katolieke (beteken: “algemene”) Apostoliese Kerk bashing, ridicule, free in Christ) 1 John 3:7-10 Little children, make sure no one deceives you. Kerkgeskiedenis: Die Apostoliese Beweging: 1832 tot 1863. We all sin. But the true is that your conscience is so black, and you try your best to paint the pictures of OALC so dark. version approved by the “overseer” leaves out a lot of details and these What makes it so? It's all I know how to do.When I was in bible college, my roommates and I went out for pizza and in the next booth there was talk about sex and drinking,etc. When I read this blog I feel that many of the writers would love to come back, but they feel they have gone to far. That later document do mention the so-called "court case" (in actuality a settlement", and mentions all Apostles that was removed from office (4 mentioned, a fifth was also removed a few years ago), and the churches they founded. I too am hoping you are correct when you say things are changing as far as prosecuting the molestor. There is forgiveness. While John could only describe the beasts by comparison, he is very precise in telling what they do, And they rest not day and night, saying, "HOLY, HOLY, HOLY LORD GOD ALMIGHTY,which was, and is, and is to come" (Rev 4 :8). Im pretty sure it depends on the locality of the church congregation also as to how things are handled.I found that many of them can be very different from one another depending on size, etc. In the end when everything is said and done, if God's decision to place me in hell, I will still praise Him. The friends and other fellow Christians whom this torments and who very well may become disillusioned and 'fall away'? so if u don't agree that is fine but everyone has there own opinions, ,mine being that I will stay with the church that I grew up with and agree to the belief systems and every thing we do. Thank you!!! Please feel free to express your honest opinions.... Jesus began The reason is quite Apostle EFW Ninow on January 1931. you who don’t understand Afrikaans, this member wrote “…Jesus was a sundayschool Soooo WHAT NOW! They are the best! I'm thinking your experience would be hard enough as a non-oalcer but to be oalc on top of it must have been extraordinarily difficult.I understand much of what is presented here on a very deep and personal level from the listings of do's and don'ts and can's and cannots all the way to the end where large family, good memories, home, comfort, happiness and hymn-signing are represented. It's frightening and sickening. I agree you can wear open toe shoes, travel to tropical places, although that isnt encouraged by any means, pics on the wall, maybe, but very few do. That does not make the church 'full' of molesters. Hebrews 3:1 is referring to the ONE and ONLY Jesus.Christ was born in human form some 2000 years ago, the term “Christianity” could not have existed before then. Thanks be unto God. New Apostolic Church , formed in 1863, a chiliastic Christian church that split from the Catholic Apostolic Church during an 1863 schism in Hamburg, Germany Synonyms for the word is advocate, apologist, proponent, exponent, promoter, propagandist, spokesperson, spokesman, spokeswoman, supporter, upholder, champion; campaigner, crusader, pioneer; adherent, believer; booster.In its broadest sense, an Apostle is any believer that promotes the Gospel of Jesus Christ. God gave you a brain, use it! Or the Bible's truth? agtervoegsel “van Afrika” weggelaat. My journey brought me to a bible college after graduation. With the heartbroken to see that everyone has to stay Anonymous. I do go, and I enjoy it. We have to follow the law like other people. too, but eventually realized it's just people with different opinions and beliefs. How nice it is to have someone u can lean on and no the advice comes from god! As a parent, it is your responsibility to tell the police and get the right counselling for the child. And there is no "shunning" to speak of. Deference to article author, somje great information. Thats wonderful! Im just curious whether your mom was born into that church or whether she married into it? Thank you for your kind words. I offer up daily thanks to have gotten "outtathere" with my brain still intact. The ones whonpractices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.The one who practices sin is ofthe devil, for the devilnhas sinned from the beginning. in the rest of the world is divided into "provinces". In all churches there is Chistians and Non-Christians alike. Enormously difficult and frightening (as the right thing often is) but not complicated. was added. During this conference the Church in Africa and ..just the correct thing to do. Why is it true? it is your decision whether you would like to come to our church or not. Op hierdie If u have any questions come to church and listen...it's only gods words u will hear and I doubt god is trying to "brainwash" u but only help u see what sin actually is. Why do you have such hard feelings against the church? The Old Apostolic Church, situated at 72 Voortrek St was formerly known as St Luke's Mission church. Its obvious you have issues within yourself and came here looking for answers. Call us hypocritical and uneducated is NOT putting us down?? “Apostolic I just moved home after 18 Month in the free land of America;) Esko K. Esko, remarrying in the OALC is ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN! Create a lightbox Your Lightboxes will appear here when you Yes it is a cult..Matt. How many losses per decision to not report is acceptable? Now, let's talk about sexual abuse. Did you notice that I wrote “apostle” with small letters and did you not say an “apostle” in its broader sense is any believer that promotes the Gospel of Jesus Christ (i.e. You admit that Jesus is unchangeable, why then don’t you believe Jesus will return in like manner as He ascended? Gees, ens.) Old Apostolic Church #ibandla elidala Labapostile, OLD APOSTOLIC CHURCH around Mkuze and Pongola and Jozini Nongoma, Old Apostolic Church Calgary (Alberta, Canada), Old Apostolic Church Kelowna (British Columbia, Canada), Old Apostolic Church n future churchmates, Old Apostolic Church Of Africa - Brothers and Sisters, Old Apostolic Church of West Australia (Safety Bay), Old Apostolic Church Spiritual Inspirational Group, Old Apostolic Church Under The 334 Overseership, Old Apostolic Church Youth(Together As One), Old Apostolic Church_Communities of the World. I don’t think I contradicted myself at all. Thanks for that, it just proves that your lack of grammar and uneducated responses proove that you're either a simple minded adult or no need for education child. The concern is what exactly do they do about it; do the congregants understand they are free to support victims by seeking help for them, and free to report the crime? Hence the heading “from the horse’s mouth”, here follows When my boss(from work) send me with a message I become the messenger and my boss is still the boss.When Jesus send the 12 Apostles they become the messengers, Jesus is still Jesus the Lord.The son of GOD, JESUS is the WORD. Much like hutterites would be a more accurate description. You people need to grow up and stop worry about us. If one come to a preacher and confess that he has been abusing child, the preacher can not go to the police and report the crime, but he will be told to do that himself. This is all the devils work and I encourage anyone and everyone to stay away from this evil website where everyone can hide behind there computer or smartphone and say such ridiculous things and be so hateful. Could it be a desire to protect the image of the church? Evangelist Niemeyer to Australia (1883) and becomes Apostle (Australia) (1886); The Laestadian religion is a cult, sadly. Why let them get away with it? Pentecostal Pastor, Roger Sapp in his book; The Last Apostles on Earth, mentions 24 Apostles in the New Testament. Ignorant?...referring to the majority of the members of this cult! "John 1:1-5Concerning your statement that "Christianity didn't pause..", neither did God. That way you get an idea from both sides. I don't really know whybut my older friend asked and I was like wht the heck so I said yes lol I can't Waite. So what. are already 13 established congregations in Cape Town, Port Elizabeth, Durban, Then he It most definitely needs to be talked about!Has anyone mentioned names? by 2009 an OAC “elder” sent me the history of the OAC by email as sent to him and Where their family and preachers also where. You dont like this blog, then go back to the kitchen! "The Old Apostolic Church of Africa". Ive been going to oalc for a few years now best thing that's ever happen to me, Religion is ur own decision..don't let people get u down..stand tall.. their is love and religion out there for all.. do not hate or discriminate..everybody makes MISTAKES. The truth? And if someone in that church say something wrong those peolpe blame all members and preachers and says its the doctrine of that church. The Son, Jesus Christ was there from the beginning. We are positioned to serve as effective witnesses in spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the Twin Cities and All due to divorce of one party. He should break it off now and get as far away as he can! The synonyms for “apostle” are not spelled with a capital letter unless the sentence begins with that word. I first had to crush my rose tinted glasses to see the truth. A LOT. Evangelis This is RIDICULOUS! My mom and dad always there for us not wanting us to be hurt, like parents should. I had a spiritual conflict in my heart that I wanted resolution. Heb 3:2-3We can paste random verses all day long without any explanation till we've posted the whole Bible... Did you notice that Hebrews 3:1 is the only verse in the whole Bible which spells Apostle with a capital A and it refers only to Jesus, nobody else? membership and a temporal asset point of view throughout its existence of, For It will cause irreparable harm for the rest of their lives! With the relaunch of the Church In Ezekiel 1 : 10, we are told that on the right side they had the face of a man, and the face of a lion. 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